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Pro-Choice..Woman's Choice

If you think women should have a choice about abortions then you are at the right place. Feel free to tell stories or just leave a comment. I would really like a banner! I started this wiki because I feel that every woman should have the choice. I am also going to have a page for "pro-lifers" to have a say, but first we need more people to join! I will have pictures of the March in DC, the largest humans right march in the world! 1.2 MILLION! please leave a comment on why you are pro-choice!

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[Vampire Mariam] I believe women should have the right to do what they think is right when the get pregnant. I know some women who get pregnant by accident may not be able to raise a child, or want to raise a child. What if the condom broke? What if she got raped?...it is her choice....I AM NOT pro-abortion!!.....it is for the woman to decide!!!! not the goverment or any one else!

[Scooz] I must agree that women should be allowed to have abortions, but I do not like the ones that wait til they are 6 months along or more because by then the baby has had too much time to develop. But I have been raped before and if he would have gotten me pregnant and I could not abort his child, it would not have been a pretty picture. Do not bring a child into this world if you do not want it, because you are ruining their life and yours.

[Rondel] I have seen too many situations which could best be addressed by terminating the pregnancy, and have myself been through the procedure, including in a situation where the egg, though fertilized, did not develop; without that procedure, the hyperemesis which caused me to throw up every 15 minutes round the clock could not have been stopped -- and I would still have wound up miscarrying, because there was no developing embryo, just a "blighted ovum".
The worst, though, was a situation in which a relative of mine faced a back-alley abortion after an incestuous relationship forced on her by her adoptive step-father, in the days before abortion was legalized in the US. I will never be able to understand *anyone* who can claim that a person in that position should be constrained by law from terminating a pregnancy which has not yet produced a child.
Where there is no brain activity, human life is deemed to have ended, so I cannot consider it to have begun when the brain and nervous system have not yet formed and connected

[Kayne] abortion should be legal , what if you were a crack whore and you got pregnant by accicent ? do you think that child is going to be happy ? no . What if you were 16 and you had a accident ? do you think she will can take care of it ? probably not
abortion = legal!!!!!!!

[Delight] What drives me insane is that fact that the people who don't support abortion and wish to ban it also don't support the health care for the woman when she has her child, or even before. They dont fund the orphanage, or somewhere that can help her raise it. They dont fund the homeless shelters enough because if the woman has a child that she can not handle or afford, thats where she is going to end up. Its an idiodic thing to abolish abortion because freedom requires it, and also because there is nothing to help the people who are forced to have children because of it. The people who dont get to go to school because they had to leave to have and care for their child. When such occurs, if the woman does not marry a rich man, which is even more unlikely because she already has a kid (Atleast statistically), she will become a lower class member of society, whoooooo guess what peoples, is not supported well enough at all by a government that would abolish abortion.
If a woman were to die, if she would keep the child, or the child were to die. Is that okay? If they were to die of starvation or cold because they cannot now afford heat or food or clothes, is that okay? Is it alright for someone to make a decision for everyone else that makes them, instead of ridding themselves of an unwanted pregnancy, die from hunger or cold? Its an extreme version of the situation, but it does happen. I know that for a fact. So a painful misrable death, or a painless one? If you're personally religious, is that right in the eyes of your deity? If you're not, is that right in the eyes of your morals?
What if the woman was raped? What about keeping the child then. The psychological damages from that would be amazing. For both mother and child.
There is also the thing that the people who get rid of it in the first place are men.
Also, think. If a woman were to find out that she was going to have a child who was seriously retarted or disabled. Such to a point that the kid would not live past birth, or to a point that the kid would be absolutly misrable for their entire life, if they survived that long. Such to a point that if the parent died, they would end up in an institution of some kind. Is that alright? Does that make sense to have a child like that? Does it make sense to create someone who will have a horrible and misrable existance?
Lastly, why do they think that they can make such a decision for the rest of the world. Its amazingly stupid. Those who abolish it could just not have abortions themselves. Do they really have to take control of everone elses choice, or lack of? Do they really have the Right to make it so that no one else could have even the option of having an abortion?
Sorry about the rant, but its just how i feel about it, and was relieved to be able to write it down and get it all out.

[Dil*]:
This is a touchy subject that is not just black and white, there's alot of grays in it. Sure It's terrible to get rid of a unborn child, but wouldn't it be just as terrible if a child was born to parents who didn't really want them in the first place. They would grow up in a hellish environment with little love and maybe it would of been better if they weren't born. Young mothers are confused and sometimes not able to take care of a child properly as well. I also think women should have a bigger say in this issue, hell, guys don't have to carry the child around in their bloody stomachs. I'm not a religious person and i frankly don't care if you're religious or not, BUT...when peoiple try to bring religion into things like this, it's very irritating to me. If the woman wants the abortion and she's not religous, she doesn't need bloody religious fanatics parading around the abortion clinic. If they're not religious, they DO NOT care about your ideals and whatnot. It's their decision if they want to get an abortion and they have to live with the consequences. Oh well, I'm going to hell now, wait, I've come to that conclusion ages ago...don't mind me, i have a messed up sense of humor. (I'm an aetheist anyways, so i don't care)

[Veltzeh] (founder of Pro-Choice League)
In my opinion, abortion should be legal, offered free in hospitals and encouraged if the woman has the slightest doubt that she wouldn't want to have the baby. In today's over-populated world all children should be wanted and they shouldn't have to spend even a small part of their lives in orphanages living off of the society's money that could be used for something else. Yes, I realize my opinion is very harsh, but there it is.
Finally, a question to think about: Why are those who oppose abortion often religious fanatics who likely have never read even basic biology, while those who are pro-choice are often doctors and other educated people who know their biology, physiology and even ethics?

[Hermes322] I think that it's better to get an abortion done by a doctor, in an office as opposed to a back alley by a creepy guy who offers to show kids puppies.

[Icetigris] I believe that the only people who should even have a say in these laws are women. Men don't have to deal with it so they should stay out of it. Also, I find it ridiculous that people value the life of a 40-celled blastocyst over a thinking, truly living, conscious woman who can feel physical and emotional pain. That ball of cells has no more consciousness than a potato; potatoes don't have rights, so why should something cognitively equivalent have rights, just because it has human DNA? I was at the March for Women's Lives and saw a great sign pointing out an interesting parallel: in China, the government forces abortion, in the US, the government is trying to force women to have babies they don't want. In both situations, it's not whether or not the people want to kill the baby (as anti-choice people are wont to say), it's about whether or not women have a choice about what to do with their own bodies. Whatever happened to separation of church and state?

[FireGypsy] I have read over your opinions on pro-choice. I beleive the mother should have a choice. I also beleive that abortion should be legal, under certain conditions. If you were a victim of incest, if the baby has a fatal or developing fatal disease, If the baby HAS aquired a fatal disease from the mother, if either the baby or the mother or both will die during pregnancy or labor. Other than that they abortionist should tell that mother NO! Millions of Women every year have abortions simply because they cant afford the kid, their parents wont let them, they have been raped, or because they simply dont want one. Well if you cant afford one...you shouldnt have had sex. If you dont want one...you shouldnt have had sex. If the mother doesnt want the baby for reasons such as stated above then the mother should have the baby and give it up for adoption. Those doctors should say "No. maam you cannot kill that baby in you. That baby is in no danger and neither are you. You must have the baby and put it up for adoption if you dont want it that bad."

[Arbor] It is simply the choice for which I stand. Give me the CHOICE. If you are against abortion then keep your child. Do not try to make my decision for me; let me deal with the consequences.

[sophomoric] I've debated a long while whether or not I should put up my stance here, but I've concluded that perhaps I should. This is a page about choice, and none should question my stance lest they wish for their own to be put to question. I am in a position where there is significant moral confliction. To begin, I am a vegetarian. What does this have to do with pro-choice? A lot. Just because I have taken a moralistic position against something that I feel is wrong, does not mean that I, or anyone else have the right to impose this position on others. I believe that animals and babies should live, but I do not believe that it is a pick and choose situation. In order to follow an omnivorous diet, animals have to die, and this is a concept that people don't even blink an eye at most of the time.

Pregnant women (I will not call them mothers under such circumstances) that decide they should like to get an abortion are rather inversely viewed as evil and terrible individuals. That carries a double standard from a moralistic perspective. Therefore, it is my stance that I don't respect the arguments of any pro-choicers unless they don't have a moralistic double standard.

That may seem a little cold and heartless, but as I regard animals as highly as I do humans (higher in a wondrous variety of cases) I find it almost comical that people can use an argument of potential. We, as humans, have warped the course of nature more than any other creature, under the argument that this is our earth given to us from any variety of deities. If that is their argument, then fine, mine is that women were given their bodies from any number of deitical figures, and just as we have spoiled the earth, let them do to their body as they will; there are far worse ways a child could die, all of them taking place when they are aware of their own existence.

As for the adoption argument; the world is over-populated as it is, outlawing abortion would cause another massive rise in the population, by millions if previous figures hold true.

Conclusion: It truly IS a choice just as we all, invariably, have choices.

[Tolmeni] I think it's rather telling that most of the anti-abortion zealots are male, who will never suffer through a pregnancy or labor that threatens their life and the life of their child. I don't believe in abortions when the fetus is too far along, but when the life of the woman is in serious danger, or there is no chance of she or the baby having any hope of a positive life, or if the baby will be born addicted to illegal substances...I think abortion is a viable option.

[AbLam] Whether it is the right or wrong thing to do, it is still a choice. No one but the woman who is having the baby should be able to choose. I'm sorry, but there isn't a good excuse for outlawing women's right to choose. Period.

[P(e)Ta] NO-ONE but the woman involved had the right to make a decision as to whether or not she goes through with her pregnancy (especially not conservative twats who are male and will never know the pain of having to choose). However, abortion should not be used as a form of emergency contraception. Girls still have to be responsible, but the choice should still be there!

[bodhranbabe] What I hate are the bumper stickers that say, "Smile, your mother was pro-life!" I'm sorry, but my mother was pro-choice, and she chose to have me. Being pro-choice is just as much about the positive choice as it is the negative. It's about the option.

[a faerie tale] When they scream "murderer" at me because I'm Pro-Choice, I feel the panic rise in my throat. I want to run, I want to yell, "Not me! I'm a moral person. I'm trying to help!" Those people have a right, I guess. It's what they believe. So I've got to face it, and be strong-- . POC's, "products of conception", that's what we're supposed say. "tissue" "termination" But when that machine starts, it's not just "tissue" that's sucked out. It's life: potentially human life. And like the Buddhists, I believe in "reverence for life". That's why I'm a vegetarian. But I also believe that conception should be a blessing. My brother's wife: when she's pregnant she sings lullabies, she organizes everything she eats and drinks-- she makes herself a perfect vessel. But you can't order a woman to do that! Not by bullying! What makes those people out there think a person can be frightened into goodness? Oh, give it up for adoption, they say! How can a mother do that? Carry a baby under her heart for nine long months and then give it away? Once it grows and moves it's a part of you. Loved, the way you love your own knees, or your breasts. And does your responsibility end, if you hand it over? What about Lisa Steinberg's mother? Does she sleep nights, now? She thought her daughter was going to be given every advantage, not tortured to death. Even a good adoption-- suppose you're a concert violinist, and your baby goes to a family that's tone deaf, that thinks music is noise....? Who would want to live that life? Who would want to give a child that life?

Add your name to the list of pro-choice people

1. [Vampire Mariam]
2. [Kisama]
3. [brandi_080786]
4. [Kiss_Me_Bum]
5. [Mitsune]
6. [Carol Lynn]
7. [Pale-Suzie]
8. [Blackshire]
9. [sarah l b]
10. [minifer]
11. [Scooz]
12. [dimmu_borgir3212]
13. [Arbor]
14. [Lily~]
15. [Tidd3]
16. [Rondel]
17. [Nukleopatra]
18. [VorpalBlade910]
19. [ei33]
20. [Fallen_Angel_666]
21. [Tehrror]
22. [Project Elysium]
23. [kate katastrophe]
24. [Kayne]
25. [Glorybox.]
26. [Tormenta]
27. [deja vu, mi amor]
28. [Veltzeh]
29. [Your Christ Is Dead]
28. [Mania Rage]
29. [Delight]
30. [Davorah]
31. [x_bubblicious]
32. [Alfirin Lindlea]
33. [Christie Shadow]
34. [// Grace //.And..Bend]
35. [Carol Lynn]
36. [Furr]
37. [Dil*]
38. [Pyra]
39. [Yoruno]
40. [Magic Circle]
41. [sophomoric]
42. [Doormat]
43. [how about no?]
44. [Hermes322]
45. [Icetigris]
46. [Tiezu Star]
47. [Elrohir Elensar]
48. [God called in sick today]
49. [BrokenPromise7x]
50. [Pillowthief]
51. [Blue Raspberries and Grape Juice]
52. [Not Here!]
53. [My Chemical Erin]
54. [Sue Falkenkralle]
55. [Anduraja]
56. [Bullet with Butterfly Wings]
57. [JinXTheMoodieAl]
58. [Morrigon]
59. [tiragon]
60. [Nostradamia]
61. [Jinji-Chan]
62. [Hazel]
63. [to a new?]
64. [jojo-kun]
65. [Anon Y. Mous]
66. [CharlotteCrying]
67. [Lashinnian]
68. [Tolmeni]
69. [Rosie.]
70. [*~A Cure For Contempt~*]
71. [AbLam]
72. [P(e)Ta]
73. [bodhranbabe]
74. [kaomi]
75. [Yiwerra]
76. [Bad Wolf]
77. [I stabbith ye]
78. [Eldanár Oronar]
79. [a faerie tale]
80. [kay-chan]
81. [Hufflepuff Lolita]
82. [deranged-bugosh]
83. [Bad Wolf]
84. [Blue Raspberries and Grape Juice]
85. [Cenyre]

Not the church, not the state, only the women should decide their own fate!

Have a different opinion? Check out pro-life and Against Abortion League.

2004-10-17 [Dil*]: Ahhh. *huddles closer to [Pyra] and [sophomoric]*

2004-10-17 [Pyra]: I wubs you!!!!!!!!!! *sings* Dil and Soph are my friends, because I like people, and people like meeeeeeeeeee....lalalalalallalalalala.....LlAMA!!

2004-10-17 [sophomoric]: lmao

2004-10-17 [Doormat]: "AHHH not again!!!!" (jumps out the window)

2004-10-17 [Pyra]: .........intresting................*jumps out of the window with Diablo* I'm flyiniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-*splat*

2004-10-17 [Dil*]: lol!

2004-10-17 [Hermes322]: *tries not to laugh*

2004-10-17 [Dil*]: i never knew mass suicide was so fun! *_dilandau_ jumps out the window*

2004-10-17 [sophomoric]: *walks over to the window...*...ummm... *pushes a random passerby out the window*

2004-10-17 [Dil*]: it appears that my spine has cracked and various ribs are in pieces...hmmmm, oh well.. *dies*

2004-10-17 [Hermes322]: *stays away from all windows*

2004-10-17 [Doormat]: It seems my large intestine has hooked on to a barbed wire fence and is stopping me from...."OH GOD THERE IS GOES!"

2004-10-17 [Hermes322]: ewww.....

2004-10-17 [Doormat]: "Wait its hasn't quite ripped out yet so i shall use it as a rope to climb up to the......OH GOD well there goes my kidneys."

2004-10-17 [Hermes322]: *get saw and cuts through you till diablo falls.*bye!

2004-10-17 [Doormat]: *grabs Samee's tonsils and rips out her brain as he falls....*"ooOooo pink!"

2004-10-17 [Hermes322]: I HAVE NO BRAIN!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

2004-10-17 [Pyra]: Well....I have landed, and it seems like I'm bleeding internally and externally, a spike has gone through my stomach, and I'm slowly dying...Soph, or Dil, please put me out of my misery? *waits*

2004-10-17 [sophomoric]: My brain feels like it's melting...

2004-10-17 [Pyra]: Kill me, Soph!! I'm bleeding to death! Geez, have a little consideration, and kill me!

2004-10-17 [Dil*]: i'm already dead, what do you expect me to do?

2004-10-17 [Pyra]: Well then, what about Soph? He can still kill me...

2004-10-17 [sophomoric]: Nope... it goes against my religion... It's called "Uncool people must die." The second commandment is "thou shalt not kill cool people"

2004-10-17 [Dil*]: lmao

2004-10-17 [Pyra]: Awww....*huggles* woops...I got blood on you...

2004-10-17 [Dil*]: anyone wanna ressurect an especially cool person ;) wink, nudge, wink

2004-10-17 [Pyra]: .....I will! *falls over on the way* It seems my legs are broken....but I'll be right there! lol

2004-10-26 [Dil*]: ..>.<

2004-10-26 [Pyra]: hehehe...

2004-11-04 [-TwistedHumor]: here is an idea...if she does not want kids then she should keep her legs closed...i could see her wanting it if she were rapped but otherwise she has no excuse besides being whoreish..

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: you spelled raped wrong.

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: and you dont actually have to have sex to get pregnant. if (somehow, by any means) the male gets some inside the female, then you can get pregnant.

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: So technically, you can be a virgin and be pregnant

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: My personal oppinion is that the woman who wants/needs/whatevers the abortion meets with some sort of doctor for a consultation about it. And then they can work with the woman to find out the best solution to the issue.

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: it shouldnt just be a "walk in, say 'i need an abortion' get the abortion, walk out" thing... it needs to be thouroughly discussed.

2004-11-04 [Pyra]: Very well explained, Kelaria! You are brilliant in your thought procces! And as for you, Broken, I suggest you stop being such an ass, and learn how to control your vile, ungreatful tongue. And yes, I probably spelled ungreatful wrong, I am completly aware of this

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: Thank you Pyra!! I'm just too nice to say what was deserved! >.< (btw, if you want to know, it's Ungrateful ^^ I think :P )

2004-11-04 [Pyra]: hehehe, thankies, Kel!

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: You're welcome [Pyra]!

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: I found this link on the pro-lifers' wiki. I feel for everyone of the women who tells their story, but it seems really ridiculous to me how they go on about being deceived and lied to. http://www.prolife.com/ABRTWM2.html This might seem harsh of me, but I cannot help it, and I am not ignorant of those women's situations.

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: I know how horrible abortion can make you feel! That's why I wouldnt do it myself. But there are plenty of situations where there is no reasonable alternative. I was reading that link. I do feel for those poor women. But if they werent aware of the risks, then chosing abortion wasnt very wise of them. This is why I think there should be a councilling thing. That way the women would be aware of what they're getting themselves into.

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: But to take away that choice entirely makes the situation so much worse! Women who get pregnant accidentally (or whatever) may panic at not having that choice available to explore as an option for thier situation. And when a pregnant woman is in distress or panicking (or both) it can be a very bad situation. She may hurt or even kill herself in her confused or upset or frightened (or all of the above) state!

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: I was pregnant once and I can tell you I was very distressed during that time. There were plenty of chances and times that I heartily wished to take my life. That time has passed now, and everything has worked out for the best for me and my daughter. What is the sense in losing two lives? And let me say that abortion is precluded by councilling but if you are there in the clinic those volunteer nurses know you have pretty much made up your mind and they are there to help you in any way they can.

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: How sad that some people need to rely on every word another person has to say and cannot think through something themselves. And forget doing any kind of in depth research on preceedures and such.

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: excuse my spelling :)

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: You know, I've been reading those, and they all talk about Jesus and God... what about people who have a different religion? It seems to be a pattern that all the women who feel horrible about their abortion seem to be Christian. I dont know, it's just something I noticed. (often Pro-Life people use Christianity and God in their arguments which really annoys me, because not everyone is Christian)

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: Oh, my! Getting me started on Christianity! This is never a safe thing. It is the duty of a good Christian to kindly inform those of other religions that they are savage and wrong and must find the Lord.

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: But yes. The one that starts in on Planned Parenthood just gets me. I am a patient at Planned Parenthood (an establishment our dear Dubya seems to oppose as well :P) and I can say that they are very professional and helpful and there is no way they would deceive another woman, at least not at my clinic.

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: (to the christianity comment:) I know!! Gah! It's soooo annoying!! I am a proud believer of a Goddess (in some form) and the beauty and Magick that is Mother Nature and Wild Life!

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: I hate it when Christians tell me that I'm a devil worshiper or that I'm "lost" and need to find my way back to the Lord and all his "glory"!! >.<

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: Furthermore, the frequent mentions of abstinence and its inherint connection to Christianity harkens back to the Victorian age in which women were expected to suppress all aspects of their sexuality. I am a human being and whether or not I am male or female I have feelings and passions and desires. I can make responsible decisions regarding them. It may not be tru of all people, but we have to offer these options to all Americans if we are truly a free nation.

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: I have no religious affiliation but i have been told frequently by many people (including ET'ers!!) that I am misguided and/or possessed by the devil!! I am totally with you. But I hate to be a Christian-basher...I guess...

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: I dont like to bash other peoples' religion either! But they are SOOOO asking for it!!!

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: OK, I just read this (it's near the bottom under Stephanie Williams): "I was deceived because I was not told the truth about what an abortion means to the life of an unborn baby." I was astonished! What did she think abortion was??!?

2004-11-04 [Pyra]: You know, I'm a satanic girly (Lavey, thank you very much) and Everyone thinks just because I am, I am completly unable to make a concious desicion about anything, when, in fact, I am very wise and responsible in my desicions!

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: Abortion is not even a pleasant sounding word! See? "Oh, we give the unborn baby to aliens and they care for it. After you come around from the drugs, you will see the alien space craft descend and..."

2004-11-04 [Pyra]: wait....so are you for abortion, or against it?

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: Lol! I guess thats what they think Abortion is! >.<

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: I'm not Pro-Abortion, I'm Pro-Choice. and I'm Against-Idiots. lol! (seriously, if you're going to have an abortion without knowing what it is... you have got to be crazy!)

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: "They LIED TO MEEE!!" I am for abortion. I am agiant partial birth, though. that is already illegal, however.

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: I, personally, would never have an abortion myself. But I dont think we should deny the choice to others. If I was ever raped, I would go to the doctor as soon as I possibly could and see about the "morning after" pill... I would feel very emotional about the whole thing... and I have been physically abusive to myself. the experience of carrying a baby from rape would do horrible things to my mind...

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: And it's not like I am abortion happy! I am as Kelaria says, I am for having the choice.

2004-11-04 [Pyra]: are you calling me an idiot? Because I can assure you, i know what an abortion is.

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: No! NOt you Pyra!!

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: I was refering to the people who go into an abortion clinic without knowing what the heck it is!

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: You know, I am supposed to be writing for NaNoWriMo but i am procrastinating here!! This debate is rather enjoyable, though. It is good for venting!

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: Exactly! I need to vent every now and then! :D

2004-11-04 [Arbor]: Oh, and Pyra, I am no expert on Satanism but I do know it is nothing like everyone misunderstands it to be!! *shakes head* My husband actually says I remind him of a Satanist. *shrugs* I am Nothing, though.

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: I'm not sure what Satanism is... so I wont say anything for or against it!! I actually am curious now....

2004-11-04 [sophomoric]: I'm quasi-Satanistic

2004-11-04 [Dil*]: never heard of this quasi-satanic...please give us some info..

2004-11-04 [Kelaria]: I dont know what it is! *confusion* I'm really curious to learn more about these Satanic religions! I'm fascinated... so, do share!

2004-11-04 [sophomoric]: "quasi" is a term for "somewhat" "moderately" or "partially" etc.

2004-11-04 [sophomoric]: Go to the satanic garden. There are two main kinds, one is theistic (being devil-worshippers) the other is the one described there.

2004-11-05 [Pyra]: Sophomoric! Ahh, tis been too long since I've seen your spoken art, my dear

2004-11-05 [Hermes322]: HELLO!

2004-11-05 [sophomoric]: ahhaha.... hmm... it may end up being a while more... My girlfriend and I are going through a less than stable period and I may need to leave the net for a while if our relationship should fail....

2004-11-05 [Pyra]: I'm terribly sorry! Heart ache is horrible

2004-11-05 [sophomoric]: Argh... so is miscomprehension.

2004-11-06 [Pyra]: oh dear....what happend? If you wish to talk about it, of course

2004-11-06 [sophomoric]: I exagerate things in my mind, and devalue myself... so as soon as something goes wrong, I assume the relationship's going to end.

2004-11-06 [Pyra]: well you shouldn't!

2004-11-06 [sophomoric]: I do what I can to fix my errors in mentality.

2004-11-06 [Pyra]: Well....at least you have someone you love....

2004-11-06 [Dil*]: banana phone!

2004-11-06 [Hermes322]: LAMAH!

2004-11-06 [Doormat]: ring ring ring ring banana phone!

2004-11-07 [Pyra]: I've got this feeling, so appealing, for us to get together and sing, sing!

2004-11-07 [sophomoric]: I am a personification of that song.

2004-11-07 [Pyra]: =^.^= my friend just went streaking past my house....yelling at the top of his lungs.....I love dares, don't you?

2004-11-07 [Dil*]: the song rules and yes, i luv truth and dare games :D

2004-11-07 [Pyra]: hehehe, it was great....

2004-11-07 [Dil*]: i don't really do dares though....i only do truth :P

2004-11-07 [Pyra]: i never do truths, only dares.....it's too much fun

2004-11-07 [Dil*]: truths can be hilarious too...my friends like to screw with their victims minds :D

2004-11-07 [Pyra]: hahaha, that's great

2004-11-07 [Dil*]: like they find 2 of the ugliest teachers ever and ask them which one would the victim prefer as a romantic interest..it's not a win win situation.

2004-11-07 [triad]: Hey chicks-Bush and co. are going to put up some new supreme court justices with pro-life views and Im so happy, its wonderful to see life regarded more, dont you think ?

2004-11-07 [Veltzeh]: "Chicks-Bush"? Well, that might've been obvious... But anyway, no, not really. To be honest, I don't really care about USA since I don't live there. I'm happy in my country where abortion is legal. =D

2004-11-07 [Pyra]: Hahaha, cheers to that, mate. I don't get what you people have against choices? Ohhhh....I see.....are you one of those religious bastards? Hmmm, christianity, such weak ideas

2004-11-07 [Veltzeh]: Yep yep.

2004-11-07 [Dil*]: i have to agree, canada rox your sox..:P (pro abortion here)

2004-11-07 [sophomoric]: Some of christianity has very good/strong ideas. The concept behind it all is to live and love as Christ did. That's all. Do that and you live well. He didn't want institutions created, he only wanted his word spread. Institutions become corrupt the larger they become, even in religion.

2004-11-07 [sophomoric]: So, as an example, Christ lobbied his ideals, he did not force/impose them on others. If people were not interested in following, he did not get all the pimps and whores to beat the shit out of them.

2004-11-07 [Veltzeh]: Well, the main problem has always been and will always be in the people trying to interpret that, heh. I just try to keep the heck away from religions...

2004-11-07 [sophomoric]: <img:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/Sophomoric/ProChoice.jpg>

2004-11-07 [Veltzeh]: Eh, darn... I like the pic, but could you still just put up a link? Pictures in comments aren't good...

2004-11-07 [sophomoric]: They will make us take it down due to the copyrighted nature of those three images.

2004-11-07 [Hermes322]: yeah

2004-11-07 [sophomoric]: Thus explaining why I didn't put up the @wiki part at the end.

2004-11-07 [Pyra]: hahaha!! That's great, soph! I like that

2004-11-07 [Dil*]: ..good banner, but it breaks the uploading art rules.

2004-11-07 [triad]: christianity, such weak ideals, hum. . . . . . . . . . i should kill you

2004-11-07 [sophomoric]: awww.... Kill me? Really... that's so cute... Try it Mr. "I am unaware that Hitler's mother was talked out of aborting him by her doctor"

2004-11-08 [Pyra]: Hahaha, witty, soph, indeed. And as for you, break the cycle, my religious kissing, ass mongrel, how would you kill me, may I ask? Hmm? This is the internet, you idiot. It's phisically impossible to kill someone over the internet, you pathetic exuse of a religious ass

2004-11-08 [sophomoric]: I have no fear of him, if he'd like I'll even give him my address.

2004-11-08 [Arbor]: to Break the Cycle, please consider: What Would Jesus Do? :P ;)

2004-11-08 [Dil*]: awww it's such a cute evil bastard.... i love it!

2004-11-08 [Pyra]: hahaha, soph is so cute when he's angry! Ohh....did I just say that outloud? woops...anywho, you bring up a good point

2004-11-08 [Doormat]: Hail hitler!...i mean sophomoric XP

2004-11-08 [VorpalBlade910]: *smiles* that is so cool

2004-11-08 [Veltzeh]: Meh. Okay, the next time someone posts a picture, I'll just delete it. I don't like pictures in the comments.

2004-11-08 [sophomoric]: There you are.

2004-11-08 [Veltzeh]: Not on the wikipage either. >_< I thought that was clear without saying. Keep your pictures on your own pages, or maybe we should make a picture wiki?

2004-11-08 [Dil*]: it's a banner though :P :P

2004-11-08 [Veltzeh]: Ah well. I'd still like them to be on a separate picture page...

2004-11-08 [Dil*]: ohhh the banners page.

2004-11-08 [Veltzeh]: Exactly.

2004-11-08 [Dil*]: copy n paste it then :P

2004-11-08 [Veltzeh]: I did already =P

2004-11-08 [Pyra]: hahaha, vel, you're so on top of things! =^^= rock on

2004-11-08 [Dil*]: ...he's a neat freak...just like me :P

2004-11-08 [Pyra]: lol, too true

2004-11-18 [Veltzeh]: Hm... I wonder about that last opinion post by [FireGypsy]... Does it really belong there? It's a bit demeaning toward us generally.

2004-11-19 [Arbor]: I think that Ravendark should take her comment to the pro-life page.

2004-11-19 [Arbor]: It's personally enrages me a bit--just a bit. ;) Let me take my pro-choice opinion and post it on the pro-life page and see how quickly I get blasted and the comment deleted. :P

2004-11-19 [Veltzeh]: Lol.

2004-11-19 [sophomoric]: "Millions of Women every year have abortions....they have been raped......you shouldnt have had sex" The sheer genius in that statement is... leaving me speechless.

2004-11-19 [Dil*]: *hits head on keyboard*

2004-11-20 [Pyra]: Hahaha, Idiots do ocassionally rear thier ugly heads...

2004-11-21 [sophomoric]: Let's not blame them for being foolish...

2004-11-22 [Pyra]: true, true *tackle hugs Soph* Cheese! *runs in tiny cirlces* O.o

2004-11-22 [sophomoric]: *freezes in place* don't... move... *pause* the cheese... can smell... fear...

2004-11-22 [Dil*]: f34r!

2004-11-22 [Arbor]: live long planned parenthood!!! ^.^

2004-11-22 [sophomoric]: ....woo?

2004-11-22 [Arbor]: lol sorry about my randomness

2004-11-22 [Dil*]: *poke*

2004-11-23 [Pyra]: ok then...*tackles soph again* Soph is cute! Hehe! But so is my...boyyyyyyyyyyyfrienddddddd!!! hehe!

2004-11-23 [Pyra]: I have a boyfriend!! ME!!! A boyfriend!! yay!

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: whee....! ..i wish i had someone to hold and love -_-;

2004-11-23 [Pyra]: meh, I miss being single

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: i just want some bloody change!

2004-11-23 [Pyra]: hahahaha

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: seriously ToT

2004-11-23 [sophomoric]: Well... I lose interest in my relationships very easily... buuuut..... I weigh the pros and cons in relationships... with or without them... My longest has only been 3 months

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: how bout' that girl you..umm, slept with?

2004-11-23 [sophomoric]: that would be the current one. I do indeed love her, but I've lost interest in the physical aspect.

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: k....

2004-11-23 [sophomoric]: I wouldn't leave after having invested such an important part of myself into it; let alone without valid reason.

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: that's good...i'm still a hopeless romantic.

2004-11-23 [sophomoric]: As am I.... but my romanticism has evolved into A realistic romantic with some hopeless tendencies... as an example, I've already proposed.

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: wow..that young and proposing..you are mad lol

2004-11-23 [sophomoric]: oh yes I am very much so.

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: aren't we all?

2004-11-23 [sophomoric]: Perhaps... but I only worry about the one's that say they aren't.

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: maybe we should worry about ourselves....., since i think i'm madder than the average mad person.

2004-11-23 [sophomoric]: Oh but to be mad is a beautiful thing when you acknowledge it; it means you are less likely to let your madness out of hand... unlike those who refuse to admit it.

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: nice angle, got me there :P

2004-11-23 [sophomoric]: Because I am well-hearsed in the terrain of the mad.... For I have been walking it for some years. lol

2004-11-23 [Pyra]: When you are mad you can understand a greature aspect of life that other's cannot

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: it's one thing to admit it, but it's another to revel in it in joy :D

2004-11-23 [sophomoric]: Ah but one cannot worry for their own safety... Not in my presence... my most violent acts remain hidden behind my eyes.

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: hmm, another secretly violent psycho :D

2004-11-23 [sophomoric]: Secretly?

2004-11-23 [Dil*]: well, i didn't notice it before

2004-11-23 [sophomoric]: Doesn't make it a secret :P

2004-11-24 [Dil*]: might as well be :P

2004-11-24 [Pyra]: No, Soph isn't a secretly violent pycho. No one is. For even the craziest of minds are justified in what they do. I, sadly, know I am not mad, but I do have my slightly quirky moments, I suppose

2004-11-24 [Dil*]: there's evidence to the contrary :P

2004-11-24 [Pyra]: hehehe, I am not mad, just slightly quirky

2004-11-24 [Dil*]: ..kay, whatever you say ;)

2004-11-24 [sophomoric]: If ever I commit a murder... it is because I have gone insane.

2004-11-24 [Dil*]: nah, i don't do murder, don't really hate anyone.

2004-11-24 [sophomoric]: That the thing... if I actually snap/go crazy... that's why I'll kill someone.

2004-11-24 [Dil*]: hmmmmm ya..

2004-11-26 [// Grace //.And..Bend]: yay!! no hate...ever...dislike is ok....but hate bad

2004-11-26 [Dil*]: ya.

2004-11-26 [// Grace //.And..Bend]: *sighs softly* oi....art theifs on the run again

2004-11-27 [Pyra]: Art theifs are always on the run...oh well...*sighs*

2004-12-01 [Not Here!]: I hope no one minds I added my name to the list of members but I don't have time to right any thing down right now so I will try to do it later. Thank you

2004-12-01 [Veltzeh]: Oh, you don't have to write anything if you don't want to or don't feel like it. =)

2004-12-01 [Not Here!]: Thank you.

2004-12-02 [Pyra]: awww, your a very nice person, EAV! *huggles* Welcome to Vel's beautiful wiki! *huggles all*

2004-12-02 [Not Here!]: Thank you.[Pyra]

2004-12-03 [Dil*]: awww, pyra is so sweet ^__^

2004-12-04 [Pyra]: *very toes are smiling with warm fuzzsies* thankies, Dil!

2004-12-04 [Dil*]: fuzzies! woot!

2004-12-04 [Not Here!]: Sweet sweet sweet! ^__^

2004-12-05 [My Chemical Erin]: I agree! It should be women who have the choice, no one else. Do I add my name here or on the 'pro-choice league' thingy?